{"id":2592,"date":"2011-01-02T16:27:08","date_gmt":"2011-01-03T00:27:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.leftyparent.com\/blog\/?p=2592"},"modified":"2013-02-14T21:02:45","modified_gmt":"2013-02-15T05:02:45","slug":"the-forgotten-mythos-of-reason","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.leftyparent.com\/blog\/2011\/01\/02\/the-forgotten-mythos-of-reason\/","title":{"rendered":"The Forgotten Mythos of Reason"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>In my previous piece, \u201cGot Mythos?\u201d<\/strong><\/a>, inspired by Karen Armstrong’s book, The Case for God, I concluded that…<\/p>\n

Our country has a great principle of separation of Church and State, which acknowledges a role for both. How about agreeing as well on some sort of principle of the separation of logos and mythos, and acknowledging the value of both as well? If religion stayed in what [Karen] Armstrong describes as its original realm of a vibrant and non-discredited mythos, would people be expressing so much hate and acting with such violence in the name of religious \u201ctruth\u201d.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Months later now and finally getting back to Armstrong’s book, I finished reading chapter 3, \u201cReason\u201d, where she talks about the origins of the kind of principled thought, discourse and learning, developed in Classical Greece between 600 and 300 BCE, that became the foundation of the principles and methods of science.
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Armstrong traces the beginnings of this method back to a group of philosophers known as \u201cnaturalists\u201d living in the Greek commercial port city of Miletus around 600 BCE…<\/p>\n

The Milesians were merchants; their interests \u2013 sailing, land surveying, astronomy, mathematical calculation, and geography \u2013 were pragmatic and geared to their trade, but their wealth had given them leisure for speculation. They came to a startling conclusion. Despite the flux and change that were apparent everywhere in the universe, they were convinced that there was an underlying order and that the universe was governed by intelligible laws. They believed that there was an explanation for everything and that stringent rational inquiry would enable them to find it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

From these lesser known progenitors came thinkers we still credit today as the basis of Western philosophical and scientific thought, including Democritus<\/strong><\/a>, Pythagoras<\/strong><\/a>, Socrates<\/strong><\/a>, Plato<\/strong><\/a> and Aristotle<\/strong><\/a>.
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\nWhat Armstrong points out (and is a continuing thesis in her writing) is that these men were both rational and spiritual, and saw the pragmatic workings of the physical \u201cmuggle\u201d world in a larger metaphysical and\/or mystical context. They promoted reason and logic not as a one-size-fits-all alternative to the \u201cmythos\u201d of metaphysical, mystical, and\/or spiritual beliefs, but one additional path to profound knowledge compatible and even synergistic with the others.
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\nEven Aristotle, the ancestor of modern logical thinking of cause and effect and the scientific method, acknowledged the crucial role of \u201cmythos\u201d in expanding human experience. The heart of spiritual and religious practice was not about uncritically accepting a set of unproven \u201cfacts\u201d on faith, but was instead a way of having a mind altering, mind expanding experience compatible with human learning and development.
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\nSome contemporary thinkers such as Richard Dawkins<\/strong><\/a>, Christopher Hitchens<\/strong><\/a>, or Sam Harris<\/strong><\/a>, celebrate the logic, reason and the scientific method (developed by Aristotle and the other \u201cnaturalists\u201d) as the only legitimate approach to understanding the larger context that we live in. These what I would call \u201cfundamentalist atheist\u201d thinkers reject any sort of \u201cmythos\u201d, metaphysics, or speculation on the meanings and mysteries of life beyond the realm of science and observable reality.
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\nAt the other extreme are those fundamentalist religious thinkers that in their own way interpret their particular flavor of religious thought as the only truth and path to greater knowledge and wisdom. They attempt to reframe the richly metaphorical stories of their sacred texts as literal and observable facts, what is often called \u201clogos\u201d as opposed to \u201cmythos\u201d.
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\nI think Democritus, Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and the rest of these great minds would be uncomfortable with both types of fundamentalism. To them it would be like rejecting (as it were) the colors red and yellow in favor of only blue, or yellow and blue in favor of only red. These classical thinkers were comfortable weaving mythos and logos together in pursuit of a fuller and more holistic understanding of the context that we live in.
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\nFor example, Armstrong describes the metaphysical underpinnings of Socrates’ namesake \u201cSocratic\u201d method of developing knowledge through dialogue…<\/p>\n

Socrates once said that, like his mother, he was a midwife whose task was to help his interlocutor engender a new self. Like any good initiation, a successful dialogue should lead to ekstasis<\/em> [ecstasy]: by learning to inhabit each other’s point of view, the conversationalists were taken beyond themselves. Anybody who entered into dialogue with Socrates had to be willing to change; he had to have faith that Socrates would guide him through the initial vertigo of aporia<\/em> [philosophical state of puzzlement] in such a way that he found pleasure in it. At the end of this intellectual ritual, if he had responded honestly and generously, the initiate would have become a philosopher, somebody who realized that he lacked wisdom, longed for it, but knew that he was not what he ought to be.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Armstrong goes on to cite Socrates’ student Plato’s Symposia<\/em>, speaking to the quest for wisdom…<\/p>\n

As a love affair that grasped the seeker’s entire being until he achieved an ekstasis<\/em> that was an ascent, stage by stage, to a higher state of being… It was \u201cabsolute, pure, unmixed, unique, eternal\u201d, like Brahman, Nirvana, or God\u201d. Wisdom transformed the philosopher so that he himself enjoyed a measure of divinity.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

This to me sounds nothing like the dogmatic thinking of either religious or scientific fundamentalism, instead blending various paths of knowledge into a rich hybrid of mythos and logos. Though I am not a believer in deities myself, I appreciate Armstrong’s use of the word \u201cGod\u201d on a par with or even a synonym to \u201cBrahman\u201d (the eternal, unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality) or \u201cNirvana\u201d (blowing out of the fires of greed, hatred, and delusion).
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\nArmed with that meaning of \u201cGod\u201d, I enjoy challenging a person who believes in more of the \u201cguy in the sky\u201d concept of that word to dialogue with me on metaphysical concepts and perhaps acknowledge that their belief in an encompassing deity and my metaphysical non-theism are not necessarily incompatible. \u201cBelievers\u201d and \u201cunbelievers\u201d can coexist in this world without one’s position contradicting the reality of the other’s.
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\nNot having completed the next chapter of her book yet (a chapter titled \u201cFaith\u201d), I have read enough of its first few pages to encounter one of those great Armstrong statements that challenge various sorts of dogmatic thinking. Speaking to the development of Rabbinic Judaism after the destruction of the second Temple…
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Anybody who imagines that revealed religion requires a craven clinging to a fixed, unalterable, and self-evident truth should read the rabbis.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I love it… and look forward to reading more!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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