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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on Self-Esteem and Respect for Children</title>
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		<title>By: Cooper Zale</title>
		<link>http://www.leftyparent.com/blog/2009/05/05/thoughts-on-self-esteem-and-respect-for-children/comment-page-1/#comment-2022</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooper Zale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim... thanks for your thoughts on Calvinism and self-esteem!  Though you and I may have very different points of view, I welcome the discussion.

Though I have a lot of issues with Calvin&#039;s philosophy, or at least my understanding of it, I do want to acknowledge how significant it was in the Protestant Reformation and the development of the ideas of individualism in the evolution of Western culture.

In particular, I am very uncomfortable with Calvin&#039;s idea of inherent depravity, and how that negatively impacts youth in particular.  At least in my reading of history, Calvinism has contributed to &quot;spare the rod and spoil the child&quot; and a general sense by many adults, which seems still prevalent in many (most?) contemporary American schools that school-age youth are inherently unable to chart their own course.

I am not a Christian myself, and I struggle with this Christian concept of &quot;sin&quot;.  I have read that maybe a different translation of the original Aramaic or ancient Hebrew of the bible would be a word more like &quot;unknowing&quot; than &quot;sin&quot;.  I would be more comfortable looking at a life&#039;s experience as starting at &quot;unknowing&quot; and attempting to more towards &quot;knowing&quot;.

I also don&#039;t have the problem with the impacts of the philosophy of Evolution that you have.  First of all, I find very little non-human animal behavior unethical, they coexist in harmony within the principles of their ecosystem.  Secondly, I have more of a &quot;new age&quot; view that our human consciousness inhabits its various animal/human bodies for any number of lifetimes .

So if you are willing, please say more of how one moves from innate depravity to self-esteem, following Calvinist ideology.

Also FYI... you might be interested in my other blog post, &quot;American Calvin&quot; at http://www.leftyparent.com/blog/2009/05/14/american-calvin/.  Again... you may disagree with my take, but I would welcome the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8230; thanks for your thoughts on Calvinism and self-esteem!  Though you and I may have very different points of view, I welcome the discussion.</p>
<p>Though I have a lot of issues with Calvin&#8217;s philosophy, or at least my understanding of it, I do want to acknowledge how significant it was in the Protestant Reformation and the development of the ideas of individualism in the evolution of Western culture.</p>
<p>In particular, I am very uncomfortable with Calvin&#8217;s idea of inherent depravity, and how that negatively impacts youth in particular.  At least in my reading of history, Calvinism has contributed to &#8220;spare the rod and spoil the child&#8221; and a general sense by many adults, which seems still prevalent in many (most?) contemporary American schools that school-age youth are inherently unable to chart their own course.</p>
<p>I am not a Christian myself, and I struggle with this Christian concept of &#8220;sin&#8221;.  I have read that maybe a different translation of the original Aramaic or ancient Hebrew of the bible would be a word more like &#8220;unknowing&#8221; than &#8220;sin&#8221;.  I would be more comfortable looking at a life&#8217;s experience as starting at &#8220;unknowing&#8221; and attempting to more towards &#8220;knowing&#8221;.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t have the problem with the impacts of the philosophy of Evolution that you have.  First of all, I find very little non-human animal behavior unethical, they coexist in harmony within the principles of their ecosystem.  Secondly, I have more of a &#8220;new age&#8221; view that our human consciousness inhabits its various animal/human bodies for any number of lifetimes .</p>
<p>So if you are willing, please say more of how one moves from innate depravity to self-esteem, following Calvinist ideology.</p>
<p>Also FYI&#8230; you might be interested in my other blog post, &#8220;American Calvin&#8221; at <a href="http://www.leftyparent.com/blog/2009/05/14/american-calvin/" rel="nofollow">http://www.leftyparent.com/blog/2009/05/14/american-calvin/</a>.  Again&#8230; you may disagree with my take, but I would welcome the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hawes</title>
		<link>http://www.leftyparent.com/blog/2009/05/05/thoughts-on-self-esteem-and-respect-for-children/comment-page-1/#comment-2021</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Hawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post! I am not a regular reader of this blog, I stumbled across it searching on the terms &quot;Calvinism&quot; and &quot;Self Esteem&quot;. I am a Calvinist who has been under-going a bit of a paradigm shift in my own understanding of self esteem.

I understand where there can be some resentment toward Calvin&#039;s teachings based on other people&#039;s understanding of him. Especially when there is a whole culture that holds some serious misconceptions of Calvin&#039;s teachings. But I would not hold him responsible for the poor teaching on the subject of &#039;self-esteem&#039; from American fundamentalism. Ironically, evangelicals have also swayed back and forth from poor self esteem and narcissism. 

Calvin understood that man and woman was created in God&#039;s image. We were designed specifically to be in perfect union with God. From this, it is very important we have a good self esteem. Why shouldn&#039;t we? However, it is our own sin that has caused a separation between us and God. This separation was breeched through the death, burial, and resurrection of His son, Jesus Christ.

So, in a sense, our bad self esteem has credibility in that it is true we are sinners. However, our faith in Christ&#039;s work on the cross should cause us to nurture a very positive self-esteem, avoiding narcissism in knowing we did not earn our right. It was given to us.

I think the most damaging belief system to our self-esteem has been evolution. If we were not created for a purpose, and we are here by chance, why should I feel good about it? More importantly, how can I feel good about it without becoming narcissistic? If we are only &#039;more evolved&#039; animals, why wouldn&#039;t kids act like animals?

On another note, somewhere between 80% - 90% of all Calvin had written in Latin, has not yet been translated into English. What often passes for Calvinism today, often does not reflect what Calvin taught. Nonetheless, he has most certainly been the most influencing person in the history of Western civilization in the last 500 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! I am not a regular reader of this blog, I stumbled across it searching on the terms &#8220;Calvinism&#8221; and &#8220;Self Esteem&#8221;. I am a Calvinist who has been under-going a bit of a paradigm shift in my own understanding of self esteem.</p>
<p>I understand where there can be some resentment toward Calvin&#8217;s teachings based on other people&#8217;s understanding of him. Especially when there is a whole culture that holds some serious misconceptions of Calvin&#8217;s teachings. But I would not hold him responsible for the poor teaching on the subject of &#8217;self-esteem&#8217; from American fundamentalism. Ironically, evangelicals have also swayed back and forth from poor self esteem and narcissism. </p>
<p>Calvin understood that man and woman was created in God&#8217;s image. We were designed specifically to be in perfect union with God. From this, it is very important we have a good self esteem. Why shouldn&#8217;t we? However, it is our own sin that has caused a separation between us and God. This separation was breeched through the death, burial, and resurrection of His son, Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>So, in a sense, our bad self esteem has credibility in that it is true we are sinners. However, our faith in Christ&#8217;s work on the cross should cause us to nurture a very positive self-esteem, avoiding narcissism in knowing we did not earn our right. It was given to us.</p>
<p>I think the most damaging belief system to our self-esteem has been evolution. If we were not created for a purpose, and we are here by chance, why should I feel good about it? More importantly, how can I feel good about it without becoming narcissistic? If we are only &#8216;more evolved&#8217; animals, why wouldn&#8217;t kids act like animals?</p>
<p>On another note, somewhere between 80% &#8211; 90% of all Calvin had written in Latin, has not yet been translated into English. What often passes for Calvinism today, often does not reflect what Calvin taught. Nonetheless, he has most certainly been the most influencing person in the history of Western civilization in the last 500 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooper Zale</title>
		<link>http://www.leftyparent.com/blog/2009/05/05/thoughts-on-self-esteem-and-respect-for-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooper Zale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Becky... thanks for sharing the info about Spadaro&#039;s book, I think you and she are making a very important point.  I do think that maybe the best we can do as adults is model treating others (adults &amp; youth) with respect and giving kids as much of a loving and enriched environment as possible, plus as much interaction with helpful adults as possible.

In a nutshell, what does Spadaro say are the key requirements for kids to be able to give to themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becky&#8230; thanks for sharing the info about Spadaro&#8217;s book, I think you and she are making a very important point.  I do think that maybe the best we can do as adults is model treating others (adults &#038; youth) with respect and giving kids as much of a loving and enriched environment as possible, plus as much interaction with helpful adults as possible.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, what does Spadaro say are the key requirements for kids to be able to give to themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://www.leftyparent.com/blog/2009/05/05/thoughts-on-self-esteem-and-respect-for-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1342</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it is so important for children to have a high self-esteem and that by adults treating them with respect this can be done.  I think though that in order for an adult to treat a child with respect, he/she must have respect for themselves.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.practicalspirituality.info/About-Patricia-Spadaro.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Patricia Spadaro &lt;/a&gt; has come out with a great book titled, &quot;Honor Yourself: The Inner Art of Giving and Receiving,&quot; which I have found incredibly valuable in my life.  Patricia&#039;s book points out that a person is unable to give to other&#039;s until they are able to give to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it is so important for children to have a high self-esteem and that by adults treating them with respect this can be done.  I think though that in order for an adult to treat a child with respect, he/she must have respect for themselves.  <a href="http://www.practicalspirituality.info/About-Patricia-Spadaro.html" rel="nofollow"> Patricia Spadaro </a> has come out with a great book titled, &#8220;Honor Yourself: The Inner Art of Giving and Receiving,&#8221; which I have found incredibly valuable in my life.  Patricia&#8217;s book points out that a person is unable to give to other&#8217;s until they are able to give to themselves.</p>
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